And we're back. I am emerging briefly, from the mess of architectural aesthetics I have got myself into, to answer readers' queries.
For all this talk of Kant and Eliot, the most crucial issue seems to be Martha and the Muffins. Southern Dave has been downloading while Peter from Jute City has been nostalaging about The Associates (soon, Peter, we shall have Scottish Music Month).
Meanwhile, Matthew Flannagan takes me to task about Kant. To clarify, I fully accept that Kant was a forerunner to Post Modernism; but then, Kant was a forerunner to everything. What I do not accept is Maxim's confusion of Kant and Nietzsche with PoMo and their suggestion that Rorty was a Post Modernist himself. However, I do agree with Mr Flannagan about Plato and Socrates. Having suffered more of Dr Cooke's sermons on Humanism than most, I can only conclude that everything Dr Cooke says about Philosophy is bollocks; quite a few members of the New Zealand Association of Rationalists and Humanists (Inc) would agree with me. Some time back, I realised that Dr Cooke's views on Philosophy amounted to the following:
- Kant = religious, therefore Bad
- Heidegger = wrong kind of Atheist, proto-PoMo, therefore Bad
- Sartre = not really an Atheist
- Mario Bunge [who he?] = Good
- Iris Murdoch [yes, really] = Fabulous
- Greeks = Humanists
It is all a vast circle of something (or other).
3 comments:
Paul
Given your clarifications I do not think there is a serious disagreement between us. Though I doubt this point can be trivialized by claiming that Kant is a forerunner to “everything”. I doubt one could call him a forerunner of utilitarianism for example and Kant did claim to be deliberately setting of a Copernican revolution suggesting that human cognition structured the phenomenal world and the world as it was in and of itself was unknowable. I also agree with you that Maxim get it wrong by suggesting Kant was a post modernist. I have heard Maxim get confused about Kant before. (Mind you, if you’ve read the Critique it’s not hard to see why a person would get confused.)
We probably agree also on Bill Cooke (I had a public debate with Bill in 2002 so I am familiar with his tactics). I was surprised that he thought Plato and Socrates were “humanists” in his sense of the word. In the Laws Plato advocated executing atheists and imprisoning them and Socrates vision of society in the Republic is hardly the “open society” Bill appears to go on about.
I am surprised that Bill has the attitude towards Kant you say he does. Given I have heard him twice in debate push the (fairly discredited now) claim that the arguments for the existence of God were all refuted by Kant and Hume. I though he might have held to the common view (currently being challenged by people like John Hare at Yale) that Kant is a kind of secularist who simply feigned religion to escape censorship.
Matt
Oh and Paul,
It’s not Mr. Flannagan it's Dr Flannagan. If you are going to refer to Bill in your posts as Dr Cooke then I request you show me the same respect. I don’t mind people addressing me causal, but if everyone else is addressed in a formal manner then I should be too.
Matt
Doctor Flannagan,
Is Madeleine still representing the inimitable Liz Shaw for e-lawsuit purposes?
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